Air Date: 05/12/2013
Show Intro (written by Alison Tieman, Narrated by Karen Straughan)
For those who don’t know, Bronies, portmanteau of “bro” plus “pony” are adult male fans of the children’s show “My little pony, friendship is magic.”
If the title of the show wasn’t a clue, the show is aimed at young girls. It has a lot of colour, it stars an almost all-girl cast and of course, ponies! Although it does have adult appeal with an intentionally more sophisticated subtext to it’s plot and character interactions.
Despite this, Bronies have been called pedophiles, fags and creeps.
Whatever men like, society seems to have an epithet to hurl at them for liking it
If it’s feminine, then they’re fags and pedos; if it’s masculine then they’re wife beating rapist neanderthals.
It’s almost like men don’t have a right… to their own time.
Join us tonight as we discuss Bronies and the Man Shaming Game.
Show Intro (Written by Alison Tieman)
If you’ve watched our intro ad you’ll know that Bronies are adult male fans of the show “My little Pony, Friendship is Magic.”
The show itself has a subtle sophistication that will most likely go over the heads of most young viewers… like all good stories aimed at children, there’s something to appeal to adults as well.
So it’s not a huge mystery why there might be an adult fan base for the show. It is girly, yes, but it’s also sweet, and kind and positive and has remarkably well-concieved characterization and plotting.
However Bronies come in for a lot of shit.
In an article on the feature length animated My Little Pony Movie, Equestria Girls, the toronto sun interviews one Jennifer Gillbert. Ms. Gillbert, a suburban mother and thus obviously the arbiter of what is acceptable in human interaction, explains she feels “uncomfortable” in a theatre full of grown men watching a children’s show. Uncomfortable.
Another woman on a youtube comment thread opines that the movie adaptation is a brony wet dream, alluding to the stereotyping of Bronies as only having a sexual interest in the show.
In fact commentator after commentator on youtube vids, reddit, forums, article comment sections concludes that bronies are fags, pedophiles and creeps.
Now let’s set Brony shaming aside for a moment.
In January of 1993 a news conference was held in Pasadena California. At that news conference, reporters were informed by Shelia Kuehl of the California Women’s Law Center that a study done at Virginia’s Old Dominion University three years before indicated that hospital admissions for domestic abuse rose 40% after football games in which the Washington Red Skins won.
Apparently men were beating their wives in a monstrous fugue brought about by beer, potato chips and the bitter regret of their home team losing a game.
This lurid factoid sparked an avalanche of hysteria that still pops up today.
It’s of course, completely false. There is no association with the Super Bowl and wife beating and as far as anyone knows being a male football fan isn’t actually a marker of being a wife beater.
The latest shame-craze around the Super Bowl is, of course, sex trafficking. All the signs are in that in ten years it’ll be discovered to be a complete hoax as well.
Men who like football, don’t lack for masculinity in the popular imagination. Yet male fans of that pastime too, come in for their share of shame, guilt, sexualization and demonization.
Now let’s set the Super bowl aside for a moment.
In 1674 Several thousands of the buxom good women of London drafted a petition to coffee houses, this petition was called “The women’s petition against coffee.”
In it women accused men, including their husbands, who wiled away the hours chatting over a cup of brew of being impotent, frivolous and effeminate.
In particular, they demanded the closure of coffee houses because imbibing joe apparently made joe incapable of doing his duty to king and country.
To quote the buxom good women, quote “we find them not capable of performing those Devoirs which their Duty, and our Expectations Exact.”
In other words, men shouldn’t be able to drink coffee because coffee left them unable to preform the in the sack.
Talk about sexual entitlement.
Now feminists will say that Brony shaming is a symptom of what they call femmeophobia… essentially their theory that we hold girly things in lower esteem than boy-y things.
However we also shame men for liking traditionally masculine pursuits or… just neutral ones.
We shame bronies because My Little Pony is feminine, sports fans because sports are macho and in the past… coffee drinkers… because coffee is… caffeinated?
Anyway, the point is that the only common denominator is that these are men choosing to do what they want with their own time.
It isn’t the femininity of bronies, the masculinity of sports fans or the… caffeination of coffee drinkers that’s the issue— no matter what pastime someone will figure out a way to shame men for it.
It’s the fact that men aren’t being useful.
And that’s blaspheme.
Welcome to this week’s episode of honey badger radio, I’m your host Alison Tieman and with me today is Della Burton and Diana Davidson who hopefully will remain with us as her power is cutting in and out. Karen won’t be able to join us tonight as she’s busy mudding walls or slapping down tile or doing something with saws. She’s dead to us now.
I’m passing the mike over to Della now to bring us the latest development in community news, Della.
Community News Written by Della Burton
In the feminist tradition of substituting censorship for debate, a copyright violation complaint citing the Digital Copyright Millennium Act (DMCA) has been filed against Men’s Issues vlogger Victor Zen in response to his criticism of a feminist vlogger’s work. As a result of the complaint, the video has been taken down, and Victor Zen can no longer upload anything over 15 minutes long to his channel.
A similar attack was made against Karen Straughan’s channel last year in an apparent attempt to gain her personal information including home address. In this case, however, the goal appears to be silencing Victor Zen’s criticism of youtube channel Mariam Talks. To counter this, several other men’s issues vloggers have hosted mirrors of the targeted video, and another video which he has been unable to upload due to its length. Anyone wishing to host mirrors of either of those can find links to them in the lowbar of Victor Zen’s video “Copyright Strike Response.”
Alison Tieman’s Topic Bite(brief commentary)
The definition of masculine
There’s a phenomena I’ve noticed over time. Men get involved in activity or interest or even fashion trend and women ignore them for a time till they notice that what they’re doing is cool. Then women take it over and men are shunted out the door. Men then go on to invent some new idea and enjoy it until women decide they want it.
Rinse and repeat.
Essentially what we code as masculine, and by we I mean society in general, is pretty much synonymous with “things women aren’t interested in yet.”
Bronies are doing the opposite of what’s usually expected. Instead of women adopting a male pastime and, to be frank, usually cooping and colonizing it. Bronies are men adopting a female pastime.
Which means bronies may actually be threatening female privilege. It’s female privilege to go into an interest, expect your comfort to be catered to, and gradually take it over and have it then be judged as feminine.
It’s certainly something very different entirely when men do the same back to women.
Comment of the week(James Huff, HBR show producer):
Bronies are getting it becuase any time a man manages to escape norms that are expected, especially making themselves “untouchable” by certain societal convenventions, it makes those trapped in the system really fucking bitter.
Bronies can usually escape the every other feminist trap having to do with masculinity…..and you can’t fucking have that. Bronies rank right up there with MGTOW, maybe worse. Can’t have that..got to keep those menz on a goddamned leash.
Show Post Script
In an interesting twist, Honey Badger Radio was trolled by 4chan’s My Little Pony board.
In summary, they came out of the gate hating, but then we seem to have won them over. Which may be even more terrifying.
Thanks for your kind attention and we hope to join us for the next episode of Honey Badger Radio!
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