It has become obvious that the Feminist Pimp Hand deserves a category of its own. It is quite obvious that it is an all too common policing tactic and that it needs to be highlighted and exposed. Here’s one we are highlighting this time.
The example we are highlighting involves a feminist wolfpack, the commentariat at Manboobz. This wolfpack tactic is typical of feminist groupuscules, which function more as social circles than as actual communities of thought and analysis. What matters is membership in the group above all else, and anything that challenges the group or any of its members provokes an attack from the wolfpack.
AC on 2013-11-16 at 11:13 am said:
There’s quite a smack down taking place in their comments section on another post. Commenter Karin Sarr is thoroughly toying with those intellectual cowards. Here is where the “discussion” starts:
Sans-sanity replied with some excellent points.
Sans-sanity on 2013-11-18 at 12:38 am said:
I had a look. I got about five comments (by her) in, and she’d already been accused of internalized misogyny and been called a racist.
This to a black woman (judging by her facebook avatar).
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the feminist pimp hand!
(also she got told to go read 700+ comments if she wanted to participate. I think someone around here was discussing the whole ‘go read this ridiculous pile of largely unrelated writings if you want to comment’ silencing tactic recently)
And then followed up immediately with this:
Sans-sanity on 2013-11-18 at 1:00 am said:
Ooh Ooh Ooh, she addresses this point directly.
Reproducing in full:
”Just an observation about the behaviour of the people here in general. I’m not upset or anything, just pointing out:
Are any of you aware of how much your behavior here is just plain bullying? I presume you don’t think bullying is a good thing (correct me if I’m mistaken there). So why do you so readily engage in it?
Bullying is an abuse of power. In your case here, you know that almost everyone reading/commenting is heavily biased against any kind of dissenting viewpoint especially from an outsider. Knowing this, with an at least ten to one majority behind you, you are aware you can get away with bigotry like dismissing a valid argument as “trolling” or “misogyny” without being challenged by anyone other than me. You also know that such a challenge from the accused always starts from a weaker position than if it had come from a 3rd person.
I am being perfectly civil and always refraining from personal attacks of any kind. Yet I’ve been accused of being a racist, a misogynist, having internalized misogyny, being a troll, knowing nothing about the subject, saying nothing but “you’re wrong” etc. and all of those without the slightest basis in reality. It’s pure dismissal and suppression of criticism.
You know very well that a more neutral commentariat would never let you get away with so much bigotry unchallenged. Yet here you are piling it on while fully aware of that. Hence you abuse power just like bullies do.”
(Note about Karin Sarr’s racial identity – Futurelle claims that this picture used in the avatar has been used all over…..for what any claim of fact from Futurelle is worth…..)
Sans-sanity, welcome and thanks for that contribution! That was juicy.
That whole exchange is a perfect example of something that is wrong with a lot of feminist effort – it is too personal and social as opposed to being involved in actual analysis and making any kind of real contribution to the discussion of gender. By that I mean that it is more about belonging to the group and abiding by group norms – endlessly changing BTW in order to keep everyone anxious about their status – protecting group members and the group itself from criticism, and attacking outsiders to reinforce their membership and assert the dominance of the group. It has taken a lot of feminism from sisterhood to sorority. And to belong to the sorority you have to go through Rush Week and then stay on your toes at all times never to do anything, not one little thing, that could get you disinvited.
By the way, this in-group/out-group dynamic probably accounts for a lot of the gynocentrist self-absoprtion of feminism, and the disregard for the issues of any women not in the privielged social category, see also “the underlying racism of white feminism.”
Commenter AC left a summed up with a comment that describes the whole pattern:
AC on 2013-11-18 at 12:01 pm said:
I think Karin is absolutely awesome. She brings up some really interesting points. I read through the whole thing (though there’s LOADS of mutual accusations of lying and stuff like that). I left her a supporting comment but it might never make it through.
I think her question about political representation really gets to the bottom of the problem. She argues that men aren’t better represented in politics than women just because more men are doing the representing. And then she asks all of those manboobz believers, if they believe that men are inherently less able or willing to represent women just because they’re men.
None of them have the guts to answer even though she repeats it over and over. They make up one stupid excuse after the there to avoid it.
And it’s a great question. Because if they say no, then there’s no reason to care about how many of politicians are male or female. And if they say yes then they admit to being sexists and have to explain why being male necessarily makes men unable to represent women (funny what that says about male feminist).
There are also some really funny blunders by the manboobz believers.
Here’s a cool exchange:
pecunium: “Liar. You did make it. Had no one challenged it then it would be standing as an, apparently, valid; acceptable, claim.”
“THAT is your evidence? That HAD no one challenged it, then I (according to you) WOULD have used it as a backup for a different claim? You’re funny.
So now apparently I must own up to fallacies that would but didn’t emerge, if I made a claim that Pecunium believes I would but didn’t make. And for not doing that, I’m called a liar.
It really is time for you to concede this one. The ship isn’t only sinking, you’re practically trying to lift the titanic and say it’s unsinkable. But thanks for being so amusing.”
Or this one:
“provide actual evidence that women have all the power?”
Karin: “Why should I provide evidence for something I never claimed?”
Pecunium: “You did claim that women have more representation than men.”
What a mindless crowd of liars.
Indeed they are.
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