Feminist Rape Culture

Clicking on the images in the blogpost lead to some unexpected images.. seems to be improper linkage to me.
One of them a newspaper clipping ‘Sometimes a man is really looking for his lost dog’.

Can the source for the tumblr Loni B blogpost be revealed?

PS: How come you dont have a ‘subscribe by email for followup comments’?

I wonder if the women mocking a male rape victim feel if they hurt him enough they’ll feel better about their own innate lack of power (which they have, but cede in order to gain shaming power)? Or is it just that they were never told when they were five that torturing their kitten to death was wrong? Or maybe they can’t stand the idea that female sexuality is rejectable (hence the insinuations that such a man is gay – carrying with it the unspoken idea that “gay” means “defective”)?

Although here it is the idea that being raped is the only alternative to being pathetic and unloveable. Which makes it a clear case of projection on the part of these three charming future cat-farmers.

For another disgraceful take on boys being raped see this article on Jezebel: http://jezebel.com/chris-brown-brags-about-losing-his-virginity-when-he-wa-1441538846

Ally Fogg has a good article up about Chris Brown revealing that a 14-15 yyear old girl had sex with him when he was 8.: http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013/10/06/magic-trick-chris-brown-and-the-disappearing-child-sex-abuse/

I’m always a little bit shocked when I see a feminist who genuinelly believes that bullshit definition of sexism being only possible against women. I can understand it more if it was just a debating tool they use to silence people but to actually believe that a definition that 99% of English speakers don’t use nor accept as valid is “the correct one” is just delusional.

Re: Ally’s blog

I’ve been questioning the value of posting over at Ally’s blog after a couple of discussions with the usual morons who just ‘weren’t getting it’. Articles such as that one, and the entertaining rape apologism it brings out of feminists, remind me why I bother to keep reading his articles.

Tamen is steadily marginalizing herself over there. Such lopsided female chauvinism is almost comical.

I like how the first commenter’s white knighting got 1. called that and 2. shot down by just about every commenter after him.

It’s the recent discussion with Jacob that annoyed me more. Possibly because I had an ounce more respect for him (which is now gone). I couldn’t give a shit what carnation says: I often just use him/her as a ‘useful idiot’; I can rely on her to give me an opportunity to expound on an issue.

I think Ally has been quite clever with his last couple of posts. His last one was about Polanski and how people argue for ‘a nuanced look’ to try and excuse reprehensible behaviour, and obviously feminists are all on board (except for summerblues who for once actually made some good points for once about the facts of the case) then he follows it up with a post which he knows will cause all the feminists to debate all the nuances of whether the girl “really abused” him or not. He’s good at showing them for the hypocrites they are in a very subtle way that they fail to notice. I wonder how long he’ll remain on ftb when they catch on?

Adiabat, that’s a good insight. That’s a pretty clear pattern you have idenitified.

SOB:
“I have yet to see a feminist state that the crime of murder can only have occurred if the victim is female though they have come close with their universal unquestioning defence of female spousal killers.”

This is the empathy apartheid we talk about here. Oh, and male utility too:

“It seems to be the “logical” extension of the belief that males can’t be sexually abused to believe that killing a male is more of a property crime than a murder. “

Gringo:

Tamen is steadily marginalizing herself over there. Such lopsided female chauvinism is almost comical.

Haha, that actually made me laugh Ginkgo. That is a pretty epic mixup of names there 🙂

“Tamen is steadily marginalizing herself over there. Such lopsided female chauvinism is almost comical. ”

“Tamen, SHE is marginal….”

“Gringo”! That’s hilarious. You might as well call me “Migra”.

Sensitive Thug: “That’s a very interesting observation. I’m not totally sure it was intended on Ally’s part, however? My impression is that Ally himself doesn’t quite see the hypocrisy but I could be very wrong. I haven’t really gotten involved over there.”

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t for a second think he’s ‘on our side’. He believes that the ‘men’s rights folks’ and feminists are just as bad as each other, and he thinks of himself as someone who can bring both sides together. No doubt he expected to expose the ‘men’s rights’ commentors as being hypocrites as well. Unfortunately for him the ‘men’s rights’ commentors pretty much stayed consistent across both articles so don’t expect a post revealing what he was trying to do.

“I’ve seen some of your previous posts, Carnie. That discomfort, carnation, comes from your reluctance to admit that men’s and women’s problems are ever equivalent. It’s cognitive dissonance, which is why you’re reaching for such a thin cloak as “physically it’s different” to imply that it’d be somehow worse if the genders were reverse.”

It’s not cognitive dissonance, carnation is just being deceitful. He/She (though I’m pretty certain carnation is female*) isn’t experiencing any discomfort, it’s just carny’s way of trying to ‘muddy the waters’ and to deflect any sympathy people may have for men. Carny’s entire ‘schtick’ is to pretend to care about men while arguing against them receiving any support or sympathy from others. That’s why she argues that men’s DV groups should only do things in the ways she wants them to, which she knows are ineffective. If they do anything else then she claims they “don’t deserve to be taken seriously” and so on.

*Only sad single women make completely unprovoked posts about “how great it is to be single” and how happy they are “going out with friends”. (Men may also be happy to be single but rarely feel the need to convince themselves of that fact by posting random comments to strangers on internet message boards.)

SYABM: “but if you drill down, it always turns out that the Social Justice Warrior in question has a problem with the conventional definition including things they personally don’t want to consider racism or sexism.”

It’s not just definitions; it’s the same with their theory. What I was trying to get the feminist at Ally’s blog to understand, and what started to annoy me, was that the usual definitions of “Rape Culture” as given by feminist include many things which would be classed as “rape culture” but which many people, the feminist included, think is a good thing, and the right thing to do*.

I wanted to know how he reconciles his approval of these aspects of rape culture with his belief that we must all “fight rape culture”. His answer seems to be that he ignores the problem; he explicitly said that that’s what he does. Yet he still didn’t see this as a flaw with the theory.

* It’s easy to come up with examples: just think of something which would reduce the prevalence of rape but you disagree we need to stop. I used the examples of society’s refusal to castrate rapists and the reluctance to pay for lighting in all dark alleyways in the country through taxation. (I know they’re silly examples but any theory should at the very least be able to exclude the silly examples from its definitions).

SYABM, have you ever spent much time around a four-year-old? That is the mentlaity you are describing. They can’t see thier own inconsistencies and those don’t matter to them; their whole aim is to beat down any resistance. Capitulation is the only accpetable end state for them.

That’s alright in a four-year-old, they have a right to be immature. the problem is that our culture has a youth fetish. This kind of debate behavior is celebrated as “passionate” and “authentic to your real feelings.” It is celebrated so much that when you don’t celebrate it, when you call someone out on it, they truly don’t see the problem with what they are doing. they think you’re the one who doesn’t know what the rules are.

This youth fetish is a general problem right across the cultural and political spectrum. It is the behavior true believers on the religious right and in the Tea Party show. Neither TP types nor feminists like to see themselves compared to each other because the parallels are too uncomfortable.

@Adiabat

I wanted to know how he reconciles his approval of these aspects of rape culture with his belief that we must all “fight rape culture”. His answer seems to be that he ignores the problem; he explicitly said that that’s what he does. Yet he still didn’t see this as a flaw with the theory.

Which reminds me of the time someone at AMPToons said that feminism having trouble addressing male rape victims wasn’t a flaw but a feature. And he was a male victim himself. In fact at some point Archy or Tamen or one of those brave souls used the CDC study to point out that male rape is much more prevalent than he thought and he went “That’s derailing. Also, nuh-uh.”

If only there was only one male (pro-)feminist rape victim who actively tried to ignore male victims. I once asked one why he was willing to erase male victims like he had been erased. He never answered, IIRC.

@Ginkgo;

SYABM, have you ever spent much time around a four-year-old? That is the mentlaity you are describing. They can’t see thier own inconsistencies and those don’t matter to them; their whole aim is to beat down any resistance. Capitulation is the only accpetable end state for them.

My niece was perfectly capable of seeing inconsistencies in her own arguments when she was three. And so is the other little girl my mum babysits. I’m pretty sure they’re both more intellectually consistent than, say, Big Red, or David Futrelle.

What a world, what a world.

That’s alright in a four-year-old, they have a right to be immature. the problem is that our culture has a youth fetish. This kind of debate behavior is celebrated as “passionate” and “authentic to your real feelings.” It is celebrated so much that when you don’t celebrate it, when you call someone out on it, they truly don’t see the problem with what they are doing. they think you’re the one who doesn’t know what the rules are.

Unless you’re a man talking about men’s rights, at which point you become a dangerous, overly emotional brute who’s a threat to women in some nonspecific way. Possibly involving the word “creepy”.

I’ve met far too many feminists and others who think that “he who yells loudest wins”.

There’s a follow up on Jez about the Chris Brown thing. It’s not bad, but of course there’s no mention of *their* shitty article on the subject

debaser, I saw that. It’s really significant. It’s a very big deal to see this appear in so influential a publication.

@Ginkgo:

Nice, nice article by a feminist on Chris Brown, and a very interesting pattern in the comments, with all the excusers (rape apologists) being male and all the feminists calling them out for rape apology.

http://oliviaacole.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/chris-brown-and-a-nation-of-raped-boys/

Well, except for the obligatory attempts to shoehorn this into “the Patriarchy” despite the fact that it contradicts the concept on a fundamental level. And not really mentioning that female rape victims are generally better treated than male on a social and institutional level. Or how feminism itself predominantly genders rape.

Two steps forward, one step back?

The article linked tries to shoehorn it into “rape culture” despite, again, feminism predominantly describing the concept in terms of M>F rape. In fact, it specifically claims that rape culture is about misogyny; if Brown was a women, she’d be more likely to describe what happened to her as an assault. This is true. How they get “sexism against women” out of that baffles me.

And don’t try and move the goalposts to claim that rape culture is really about everyone’s rapes when it’s manifestly been used almost exclusively to refer to M>F rape. If fifty other people use the term in a way that excludes non-M>F victims, and you’re claiming that it includes them, no one will believe you.

/rant

@Paul: No mention of their previous article. No apology. No mention of how the website itself and feminism in general have contributed to the problem in the past. And they’ve been called out by readers then too.

(Ironically, Jeff Fecke at AMPToons called them out…then erased male victims in the comments to that same article. And he’s a victim himself, IIRC.)

SYABM:

And don’t try and move the goalposts to claim that rape culture is really about everyone’s rapes

I find it useful to use the definition of rape culture and apply it to all rape, all victims and all perpetrators because that can highlight how some feminist’s views on rape is very much supporting rape culture as defined. One example is when Soraya Chemaly writes that “only men can stop rape” – which is a textbook example of erasing a non-trivial number of rape victims. Feminists who state that vastly more women than men are victims – forgetting that negligibly is an antonym of vastly – and who appear to be completely uninterested in researching/hearing about exactly who many men are victims.

“likely perpetuating something awful that had happened to her.”

This keeps popping up from feminists discussing the case.

Don’t they realise that it is a complete fabrication on their part? With the information available there is no reason to assume that anything ever happened to her that “caused her to do it”.

Adiabat,

““likely perpetuating something awful that had happened to her.”
This keeps popping up from feminists discussing the case”

The Designated Victim piece of hypoagency is what keeps driving this shit. A woman shoots her sleeping husband in the back with a shotgun? Well, he must have done something awful to drive her to that, something lijke asking her to wear high heels. A woman drives her three kids into the Hudson River? Well, what did the father do wrong that mnight accoutn for that? How did he fail her?

The whole thing is disgusting.