Female Rapists Infographic

FranklyNo has created an infographic on female perpetrated rape based on my post, Manufacturing female victimhood and marginalizing vulnerable men. It’s excellent so take a look! (Maybe download, print out and put them in handy places if you’re feeling daring!)

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Alison has been researching men's issues since her mother gave her "Princess at the Window" by Donna Laframboise in 1994 when she was 16. She's taken part in men's rights communities since she started posting on soc.men in 2003. Since 2011 she's run the gender apostate blog Genderratic with her pal Gingko the wonder leaf and she founded Honey Badger Brigade in 2013 with Hannah Wallen and Karen Straughan. According to Vice the pony she most resembles is Fluttershy.
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  • John Smith

    Typhoneblue, FranklyNo, Others,

    This will be a bit of a ramble, but I hope it passes moderation, I’m happy to join in other discussion boards, and learn more about this and I don’t wish to cause any offence to anyone just add my story. I am a science graduate and am aware of the weight of anecdotal evidence. If it doesn’t fit here and would fit somewhere better, I’m happy to have it reposted as long as I’m informed.

    Thanks for this, I recently became a male victim of rape, my assailant is likely to remain unknown and unprosecuted due the messy circumstances in which the assault took place. I will say that pretty much every person who I dealt with, from the Police (officers of both genders), Social Services (again mixed) Counselling, services (asides from the one who tried to get me to see them in a Church, this is a bullet I managed to dodge and another issue entirely) have all been fantastic.
    It’s pretty awful but as I don’t know who did it, I’ve gone through some rather ‘social norm’ stretching what ifs. All of your blogs and related content have been invaluable, I never knew quite how stacked in women’s favour the whole crime is, at every level, this must infuriate the many people trying to help. I was fortunate in that I had male and female friends I could tell without being reproached and a general attitude of ‘dealing with shit’, being myself and not taking nonsense, also I’m an educated white male in the first world. Now I may be being glib, but if I’ve read up on this enough, it has something to do with inherent sexism in the patriarchy of which I defacto support and belong to, due a factor I didn’t choose (my biological gender) thus and the ‘logic’ seems weird, I’m an oppressor who effectively raped himself, I find this to be BS. I knew previously that I can be accused of sexual assault for being my day to day pleasant self, i.e polite to people mixed with a little friendly flirtation and the upfrontness to say ‘you look nice today’ to pretty much anyone. I had pretty much given up on the idea of human interaction and relationships anyway, especially the hetereonormative nonsense, that fails to notice that paying outright for sex and taking people out to dinner is identical to prostitution/renting oneself in varying garbs. This coupled with a suite of previous issues, and my own natural shyness means, I gave up on women years ago, then when feminism seemed to morph into a men = evil standpoint and holding doors for people or offering help was some ‘superiority’ gesture, and young women started collecting man points, whatever they are, I threw in my towel to the despair of fellow hitchhikers everywhere. The problem is: I’m not gay, I’ve tried, it was just a sexual thing and it isn’t fair to play with people’s emotions that way. I’ve always had a wonderfully mixed group of friends and acquaintances, of all stripes, backgrounds ethnicities, et al, so the saving grace is that as long as I have decent male friends and Lesbians, in my social world I have some company and affection, without all the nonsense of gender and sexual politics interfering with just hugging your friends and having a drink and a chat. It’s the serious relationships minefield, that I’m not up to navigating, any interesting things to read, general help in dealing the clearly skewed culture we have would be much appreciated.
    I suppose the only advice I could offer is this; especially to other men who may have been through the same or similar experiences, is to come forward, be yourself and stick with it, you will probably loose friends, but what kind of friends were they if they didn’t help you out with something like that, anyway.

    Thanks for your time,

    John Smith

  • Ginkgo

    John, thank you for your anecdote. As for the evidentiary value of an anecdote – what you call an anecdote, I call a data point.

    Your story hits so many important points. I am glad some posts here have been valuable.

  • John Anderson

    40% of rape victims outside of prison are men raped by women. 50% of rape victims inside prison, adult and juvie, are men raped by women. I don’t think it should have been noted on the infographic because it would cloud the point. I just felt that it was worth a mention.

  • Ginkgo

    John, can you find me sources for those figures? I gues the CDC report supports the forst one. The second one is new to me.

  • Anon

    The closest thing I can think of for that is this: http://www.propublica.org/article/boys-in-custody-and-the-women-who-abuse-them

  • Ginkgo

    Anon, good link.

    Here’s Ally Fogg trying to discuss F>M rape and getting a load of patriarchal feminism for his trouble. There’s some real nasty rape apology going on there.
    http://freethoughtblogs.com/hetpat/2013/09/04/the-startling-facts-on-female-sexual-aggression/

  • Adiabat

    Those comments in that thread are horrible (though sometimes balanced by the occasional gem).

    Worse than the apologism (the worst instance inmy view was carnations claim that one of the victim’s stories you linked to wasn’t valid somehow because it was posted on avfm – way to silence someone who has made the difficult decision to share their story with others!) was Freja’s “moral positioning” and attempt at appropriation in her first post. Her later posts demonstrated to everyone that despite her attempts to make it appear that she cares for male victims she doesn’t give a shit, especially if you’re a victim who says something relatively inncocuous that she doesn’t like.

    What a piece of work she is.

  • Ginkgo

    Carnation displays some really obvious narcissistic behaviors. Her attempt to evade accountability for women rapists there is symptomatic.

    And freja – Ally finally tore her up about her tactics. What a white supremacist name that is too, “freja”; what do people expect?

    I noted with satisfaction that more than one comneter called Raging Bee on his rape apolgism, and one finally called him to acknowledge the hard fact that he was a rape apologist. At that point he seeemd to drop off the thread.

  • Adiabat

    I’m glad Ally did something about Freja, though he did backtrack a bit on the Musing Moderation thread after she posted a couple of manipulative posts. I must admit she is very good at manipulation and deceipt. I think that’s why she adopts the argument style she does: arguing from her (really out-of-sync-with-reality) perceptions allows her to make any point she wants while sounding like she’s making some grand point to those who already agree with her. It’s also very difficult to argue against except to say “I disagree with your fundamental claim about societal norms and how people react/think about ‘such-and-such'” which just makes you look like you’re being difficult, and opens you up to “denying women’s experiences”. Like I said very manipulative and deceiptful and her posts shed no light on the topic being discussed, but it is all about “winning the debate” for Freja, hence why she ripped into that male rape victim for saying something about what it’s like to be a male victim that he didn’t immediately back with statistics. At least it exposed her, and her true position regarding caring about male rape victims.

    Though as annoying as she is, and as much as I hate to defend her, in what way is Freya a “white supremacist name”? There’s obvious links to the Goddess in the blond haired, blue eyed Norse religion but I don’t see how that is in itself supremacist. Is it some US civil rights thing I’m unaware of?

    As for Raging Bee he’ll be back. He gets off too much on acting superior to those he disagrees with, and he really does hate those who criticise feminism. Plus he’ll no doubt feel the urge to bring up the fact that he is “educated”, I have no idea what that’s all about; There are limits to my abilities in pop-psychology :)

  • Ginkgo

    “n what way is Freya a “white supremacist name”? There’s obvious links to the Goddess in the blond haired, blue eyed Norse religion but I don’t see how that is in itself supremacist. Is it some US civil rights thing I’m unaware of?”

    Maybe it’s more of an issue here than in teh UK. i bet it’s becoming a problem over in Scandinavia.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinism
    Look on Stormfront, if oyu have the stomach, or orhter WS sites for the referneces to Aryans and Odinism and whatnot.

    The Goddess types typically lean more Wiccan, Celtic neo-pagan in their tropes.

  • Evil Green Ranger

    It makes me sad to see heathenism so readily associated with white supremacists.

    I used to be pagan; It’s sad to see the uglier stuff get the “front seat” on the bus. Especially since the exact same accusation gets lobbed against the MRM.

  • Ginkgo

    “It makes me sad to see heathenism so readily associated with white supremacists.
    I used to be pagan; It’s sad to see the uglier stuff get the “front seat” on the bus. ”

    Then the good ones need to come out and denounce these others. Leonard Pitts has a good article on Christians doing this when it comes to homophobia.
    http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/opinion/column/guest/leonard-pitts-jr-nalt-christian-must-speak-up/article_e469c620-c65a-54e0-8a87-60c3840826ea.html

  • Evil Green Ranger

    Denouncing the “bad ones” is a game of whack-a-mole. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Heathen, a Christian, a Feminist, or an MRA; There are thousands of locations where some idiot might be spewing hate in the name of your movement. You can’t catch them all. (Hat tip to http://permutationofninjas.org/ for playing whack-a-mole, though with outsiders, not doppelgangers.)

    Probably better to do loving and valuable things in the name of your cause so that people can see the good actors. (This may be a problem for strands of Christianity that oppose self-promotion. I don’t think Heathens, Feminists, or MRAs will have that problem though.)

    I seem to have strayed a bit off the topic. We return to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress.

  • Adiabat

    Evil Green Ranger: “Denouncing the “bad ones” is a game of whack-a-mole. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Heathen, a Christian, a Feminist, or an MRA; There are thousands of locations where some idiot might be spewing hate in the name of your movement.”

    It depends on how prominant within the wider movement the “bad ones” are. If they are just some random idiot I don’t see why they need to be denounced. But if they are someone who is particularly influential, and therefore affect the wider public’s opinion of said movement, then I think denouncing them is required (as always things are a lot more nuanced than can be expressed in a single post).

    Considering that I’ve never come across Odinism before whenever I’ve encountered paganism in rl or media, and so it doesn’t really influence my opinion of paganism as a whole, I don’t think any denouncement is necessary. This may be different for other people. (At the risk of offending: By far the group of pagans that influences my view of paganism the most are the boring middle class schoolgirls with no real problems in life who adopt it to make themselves seem more interesting. (Sorry to those who may take it more seriously.))

    P.S I quite like Freya as a name.

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