Jack Donovan has a good discussion of The Good Man Project and what went wrong with it. Basically it had a birth defect – it was started and formed by feminists assuming they had some special insight into gender issues and thus able to speak on men’s issues – who have tried to preach to men on how to be good, imagining that they were engaging with men’s issues.
He identifies a core problem in gender discussions generally, that discussions of men and men’s issues invariably become a discussion of what men can do to please women in some way or other, because under the patriarchal assumptions that feminism is based on, an issue isn’t a problem until it affects women.
Anyway, go read his post and ponder it.
I understand he is some kind of bad odor with the GMP crowd, and I can understand why. A non-compliant man is always going to end up sleeping on the couch, or at least they will try.
In this connection it might interest you to look at a thread on /r/ladyMRAs. It involves a spat between an MRA named Factory2 and some other MRAs. His style of expressing himself offended some women MRAs. Should be no big deal, the same happens at AVfM all the time, and they deal with it like a speed bump. Well, that’s not how this one went down. Hurt feelings and bewilderment that not everyone agrees that a lady-like style of conversation should be the norm.
The main issue here is gynonormativity so unquestioned and so unnoticed that it cannot be addressed. Factory2 got angry and caustic in a discussion of men’s issues in an MRM space, and that offended some women. Basically their complaint is that a man did not express himself in a female enough style. That’s gynonormativity, and it is spectacularly inappropriate in a space that purports to be about men’s issues. One of those issues is gynonormativity, after all.
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